More on/off toggles for different metrics

[maggaou]

Hi. Thanks for taking the time to bring new features to the plugin. I have considered using it in speed flip training to track first jump hold (and only first jump hold). The plugin could be well suited if I could just show the text and a number: Hold First Jump: 100 ms. Obviously if you are interested, you could make a separate supercharged speedflip trainer plugin. The toggles can come in form of command line cvars if that simplifies implementation (GUI update is not needed). Using cvars one could make keybinds to hide/unhide the metric (all possibly the whole overlay). I'm sorry if "Enable plugin" already has a command line equivalent.

Regarding the speedflip training, here are some metrics not yet offered:

• first jump hold
  • I think moderate value is 80–100 ms, good value is 50–80 ms, excellent 30–50 ms
  • I haven't tested my claim, but my theory is that first jump hold has upper and lower limits for times 2.0000–1.9500 s
• flip execution time (i.e. when 2nd jump is pressed)
  • in theory faster is better but first jump hold may have some lower boundary
  • 1st to 2nd jump duration is normally 60–160 ms, but beginners may have higher values like 230 ms
• flip direction timing
  • flip direction should be placed closely to 2nd jump press
  • this can be measured in a scale 0–100 %, 100 % meaning flip direction occurs simultaneously with 2nd jump press
  • on KBM flip direction means pressing QW etc
• if horizontal air turn is performed between 1st and 2nd jump, we can also measure timing of that action
  • ideally one should perfom all horizontal turn in air rather than on ground (but I haven't tested this claim)
  • the plugin could measure the timing of ground turn as well
  • this is much harder to implement compared to other metrics in the list

[Josef37]

Hi,
Thanks for creating such a detailed issue 👍

Trying to answer some of your questions:

Obviously if you are interested, you could make a separate supercharged speedflip trainer plugin.

I already thought about it. But I think I'll keep this plugin to fast aerials 😅

I'm sorry if "Enable plugin" already has a command line equivalent.

It has but I realized I hid them from the command line.
If you look at FastAerialTrainer.h you can find the names to use in the console.
I'll un-hide them the next update.

I think moderate value is 80–100 ms, good value is 50–80 ms, excellent 30–50 ms

I think I'll just introduce the option to set timing the values in the UI/console.

I haven't tested my claim, but my theory is that first jump hold has upper and lower limits for times 2.0000–1.9500 s

I'm not quite sure where I drew the line... After 200 ms nothing happens anymore (in terms of physics). I think the actual timer has not limit with this plugin. (Note: Quickly tested it and you can get the timer as high as you want).

flip execution time (i.e. when 2nd jump is pressed)

This would differ to "Time to Double Jump" right?
If it is just "First Jump Hold" + "Time to Double Jump", I think I won't add it to this plugin.

flip direction timing

I don't think it'll make it into this plugin... But I could add the option to show pitch up and pitch down in the graph. Then you can see the pitch part at least.

ideally one should perfom all horizontal turn in air rather than on ground (but I haven't tested this claim)

I'm not even sure this is true. The throttle acceleration on the ground is quite significant.
That being said, I think I won't add something like this either.

Let me know if I understood something wrong...

[maggaou]

I already thought about it. But I think I'll keep this plugin to fast aerials 😅

No problem. Just take you time! Maybe we get better speedflip trainer some day 🙂

I think I'll just introduce the option to set timing the values in the UI/console.

Yes this could be helpful in case the plugin could be used in speedflip training or elsewhere. I'm not sure about the correct upper/lower limits but I think you should be aiming for values under 100 ms. Also in wave dashes one wants to press jump lightly.

If it is just "First Jump Hold" + "Time to Double Jump", I think I won't add it to this plugin.

Yes I think time from 1st jump to 2nd jump is basically "First Jump Hold" + "Time to Double Jump". Obviously these are used for fast aerial training but in speedflip training the naming of "Time to Double Jump" is "time to flip" etc. In any case I don't need graph or anything for these, just raw numbers are fine.

But I could add the option to show pitch up and pitch down in the graph. Then you can see the pitch part at least.

This is nice idea! Now one could see what happens between 1st and 2nd jump press. This could be useful to inspect other mechanics as well like half flips.

I'm not even sure this is true. The throttle acceleration on the ground is quite significant.
That being said, I think I won't add something like this either.

No problem. This would be part of a new plugin rather than this one.

[Josef37]

Here's how it looks so far (still missing the pitch down in the graph).

https://github.com/user-attachments/assets/2defaed6-1681-4b0b-af82-e37d2d575876
(Bad quality because GitHub only allows 10 MB per upload...)

Let me know if there is something completely wrong 😅

[maggaou]

Looks good. I wonder can you explain this graph:

I understand first jump hold and time to double jump. Then comes pitch up amount which is 50.9%. Why? Looking the pitch graph I would thought pitch up amount is 75–90% depending how down hill is counted. I understand that in the pitch up graph left edge is timing of 1st jump, white bar is timing of 2nd jump and right edge is some fixed value, maybe 500 ms? Regarding pitch down, we could have maybe separate graph? At least on KBM you can cancel air pitch up resulting faster/sharper car angle. I'm not sure if you can do it on controller properly.

[Josef37]

Made some more changes to the graph (allowing pitch down to be shown) and this is how a speed-flip could look like. I still suck at them tough (holding the flip direction from the start).

[Josef37]

I wonder can you explain this graph:

It's basically the amount of white in the box.
For simplicity I also included the part after double jumping, which might be confusing... (Maybe I should change that)

This is the calculation: HoldingJoystickBackDuration / TotalRecordingDuration
and at every game tick until the recording ends HoldingJoystickBackDuration += pitch * duration (where pitch is between -1 and 1 and duration is the duration of the tick).

So if you hold pitch up for the whole time, it's 100%. Pitch down for the whole time -100%. With "the whole time" I mean until the recording stops.

[Josef37]

Should be more clear in the future:

[maggaou]

Thanks. The new look of pitch graph could be used in the speedflip plugin. Maybe useful also in fast aerial training if you want to cancel in the end. It seems the recording interval is too short for speedflip but again this might be a thing in the new plugin. The number 83.5% in the screenshot makes more sense now.

[Josef37]

It seems the recording interval is too short for speedflip

You should be able to configure that in the settings.
The cvar is fast_aerial_trainer_record_after_double_jump .

For setting everything to measure speedflips/wavedashes, you could execute these settings (for example - can also be done in the GUI):
fast_aerial_trainer_gui_jump_ranges "0,0,0,30,60,100"; fast_aerial_trainer_gui_show_pitch_amount 0; fast_aerial_trainer_gui_show_pitch_down_in_history 1; fast_aerial_trainer_record_after_double_jump 1.0;

[Josef37]

If you want to try out the features before they are released on BakkesMod (which takes a few days because staff reviews the changes), you can get the compiled binary in the release: https://github.com/Josef37/FastAerialTrainer/releases/tag/2.5.0