Revolutionary heads now start with a flash implant in their arm

[SomeguyManperson]

Document the changes in your pull request

Easily searchable roundstart equipment = BAD
not "meta-able" but visible-when-used gear = GOOD

you can still use normal flashes currently idk if good or bad can't use normal flashes have to use the arm one (it won't run out)

revolution flash now called "syndicate brainwashing flash" so flashing people in front of 12 other people is a BAD idea

This also inherits (currently) the arm flash's 2 second cooldown between uses

Wiki Documentation

revolutionary heads now have their roundstart flash placed in their ARM as an implant

Changelog

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tweak: revheads now get a flash implant rather than an actual flash to convert people with
rscdel: revheads can NO LONGER USE NORMAL FLASHES TO CONVERT
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[Sniblet]

this sounds like it's visible to health analyzers

[Jarod1200]

Does the implant flash burn out

[ynot01]

how is security supposed to determine headrevs with this

[ToasterBiome]

how is security supposed to determine headrevs with this

implanting

[ynot01]

how is security supposed to determine headrevs with this

implanting

how is security supposed to know when to start implanting

what problem does this PR solve

[SomeguyManperson]

how is security supposed to determine headrevs with this

well if someone's got a flash but doesn't have a flash in their inventory then they've probably got an implant for it same as storage implants

this sounds like it's visible to health analyzers

it SHOULDN'T be due to the syndicate implant thing

[SomeguyManperson]

Does the implant flash burn out

no, if it burns out you just can't use it for 4 seconds

[ynot01]

how is security supposed to determine headrevs with this

well if someone's got a flash but doesn't have a flash in their inventory then they've probably got an implant for it same as storage implants

i hope we're not expecting to use the same line of reasoning as a storage implant does because you basically have to see them use it to be valid in doing surgery and searching for a storage/otherwise implant (unless you've seen the implant used elsewhere)

[SomeguyManperson]

how is security supposed to determine headrevs with this

well if someone's got a flash but doesn't have a flash in their inventory then they've probably got an implant for it same as storage implants

i hope we're not expecting to use the same line of reasoning as a storage implant does because you basically have to see them use it to be valid in doing surgery and searching for a storage/otherwise implant (unless you've seen the implant used elsewhere)

You already kind of need to see someone using a flash to hit them for being a headrev

[Skrem7]

I still think making the flash that's whipped out by this in name/description or whatever have specific rev naming so bystanders can call it out if the revhead is being moronic.

Would help to douse metashield, make rev flash a very obvious tell, while also protecting them from le funny rando search.

Would probably need a supporting PR.

[N3D6]

This is deadass just hugbox

[SomeguyManperson]

This is deadass just hugbox

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[Tipy1802]

From what I understand the point of the influx of rev flash change PRs is to simplify the meta-sheild aspect of revs. If so, then Ynot's PR does a much better job than this one because turnining it into an implant would only complicate things further as antagonistic implants are even more of a mess to deal with rules wise than rev flashes. Furtheremore do revs really need a stealth implant? Implants are reserved for more stealth orientated lone antagonists, such as traitors. This PR would just powercreep revs and make the metashield situation even messier

[SomeguyManperson]

From what I understand the point of the influx of rev flash change PRs is to simplify the meta-sheild aspect of revs.

yes

If so, then Ynot's PR does a much better job than this one

no

because turnining it into an implant would only complicate things further as antagonistic implants are even more of a mess to deal with rules wise than rev flashes.

no, the implant's actual effects are visible, they still have to flash people with the flash blatantly labeled "syndicate brainwashing flash", it's just not something security can bumblefuck into due to ""random search""

Furtheremore do revs really need a stealth implant?

yes

Implants are reserved for more stealth orientated lone antagonists, such as traitors.

no

This PR would just powercreep revs and make the metashield situation even messier

no

[Tipy1802]

no, the implant's actual effects are visible, they still have to flash people with the flash blatantly labeled "syndicate brainwashing flash", it's just not something security can bumblefuck into due to ""random search""

But security has no way to verify that someone has a flash, they have to rely on witness testimonies which are not that trustworthy.

Imagine this, a head rev flashes someone in plain sight and person A sees it and starts yelling over comms to inform sec but then Person B and C who are themselves revs say that actually person A (or potentionally an uninvolved person D) was the one to flash. Who does security trust?

And once again this would turn rev flashes into an even bigger rules nightmare than they already are

[Skrem7]

no, the implant's actual effects are visible, they still have to flash people with the flash blatantly labeled "syndicate brainwashing flash", it's just not something security can bumblefuck into due to ""random search""

But security has no way to verify that someone has a flash, they have to rely on witness testimonies which are not that trustworthy.

Imagine this, a head rev flashes someone in plain sight and person A sees it and starts yelling over comms to inform sec but then Person B and C who are themselves revs say that actually person A (or potentionally an uninvolved person D) was the one to flash. Who does security trust?

And once again this would turn rev flashes into an even bigger rules nightmare than they already are

I do semi-agree with the first part. However, shift+click and putting a log into text that says "revolutionary flash" is pretty subject to a witness not messing up. If it made a VERY obvious sound when extended, too, that would be telling as well.

As for the middle part, if Person A is searched and no flash, they could maybe assume the revhead then, but if the other two people are saying that one of them was ACTIVELY flashed, that means one of them is brainwashed, thus Security should realize that one of the two grouping up on the one is the revhead. Using common sense.

I think just running them by implant rules + evidence of implant is grounds for calling it. Mass flashing isn't evidence, yes, but that mass flashing has a MUCH greater chance of revealing the revs.

If the flash could maybe get a unique in-hand sprite, too, that would allow it to be seen without examine, but that'd require a supporting PR, I think.

[SomeguyManperson]

no, the implant's actual effects are visible, they still have to flash people with the flash blatantly labeled "syndicate brainwashing flash", it's just not something security can bumblefuck into due to ""random search""

But security has no way to verify that someone has a flash, they have to rely on witness testimonies which are not that trustworthy.

Security already has to rely on witness testimonies, this doesn't change that

Imagine this, a head rev flashes someone in plain sight and person A sees it and starts yelling over comms to inform sec but then Person B and C who are themselves revs say that actually person A (or potentionally an uninvolved person D) was the one to flash. Who does security trust?

someone has a flash > they flash people > someone says "x is using rev flash" > security searches them > they hid the flash earlier > not enough evidence to make the charges stick
not much changes

And once again this would turn rev flashes into an even bigger rules nightmare than they already are

lol no you can't go downhill from "metashielded but obvious antagonist item"

[KittyNoodle]

My main problem with this is the “syndicate brainwash flash” aspect, according to meta shield rules regular people are not supposed to know what stealth syndicate technology is, and as the hypnoflash (which probably works in a similar way lore wise) is considered a stealth item it feels out of place just announcing itself.
Also implants are really janky to use sometimes and don’t provide the quick reactions that a flash in a backpack might.

[tattax]

potato heads now start with a playdoll implant in their arm